Episode 22: Mosiah 5-7

July 7, 2014

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Click to Listen: Episode 22: Mosiah 5-7

And all the Kings horses, and all the Kings men, changed their names to Christ, for some reason.

Next, Mosiah finally takes the reigns and decides to mend the fences with the Nephites. Also, we learn that at some point, the Lamanites used their smooth talk to whip everyone into submission. Let’s see how long they can hold on to it all!

“Drink” Count – 15

2 and a half Beers

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9 Comments on “Episode 22: Mosiah 5-7”

  1. John (@TophatCatfish) Says:

    When King Benny Boy says that they are to take upon them the name of Christ, he meant it as being called Christians.

    You will find a theme of many people speaking, shouting, agreeing and acting as one throughout the BOM. I always found it strange how they all knew what the other would say or do in order to execute this flawless spiritual flash mob.

    Also, like the Bible, the BOM will speak often of what people think and feel as a whole as if it was a verifiable fact and author somehow knew, with unmistakable clarity, how everyone had been emotionally affected by a specific event or teaching.

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  2. Will Roberts Says:

    Ammon: the emphasis is on the first syllable. The a is pronounced like the a in apple and the rest is more like “mun”. But don’t try and emphasize the u sound in “mun”. Just say it quickly a few times and you’ll have it. He’s an important character and he’s one bad mothafucka so you’ll want to get his name right. Mormons *literally* name their children after him. Also, protip with any name that ends in “hi”: the i is always a long i.

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  3. Duke of Earl Grey Says:

    I talked a bit about the chronology back in the Episode 19 comments, and while again we had some implausibly long lifespans to get to 124 BC, the details of the later centuries are less unlikely than what we saw in the earlier centuries after Lehi, but we don’t have enough detail to make much of the dates.

    However, beginning at this point in the Book of Mormon, up until the coming of Christ, we’re going to have fairly detailed plot points, including minor characters, date references, etc. We may even have a few generations that seem to be passing by too quickly!

    I’d like to try to clarify the various “Nephite” groups, since it caused some confusion in this episode. The original king Mosiah left the Nephites at the command of God, taking the faithful with him into the wilderness, and they joined up with the people of Zarahemla. The people of Zarahemla merged with these Nephites, and they called themselves Nephites. The original group of Nephites which was left behind, well, we don’t hear from them again, and because they were apparently wicked, we can infer they were utterly destroyed.

    Some time after the faithful Nephites joined with Zarahemla (in the land of Zarahemla), Zeniff (emphasis on the first syllable, “ZEN”, and “iff” with a short i like “if”) took a group of Nephites out of Zarahemla to go reclaim their original land (the land of Lehi-Nephi, or sometimes called just the land of Nephi). Zeniff’s group was referred to in an earlier chapter, but not by name, as having left. We’ll hear more about Zeniff shortly.

    So Limhi’s group, which we’ve met, are Nephites, descendents of Zeniff’s people, who left Zarahemla shortly after the first Mosiah brought them there. Mosiah’s people are also called Nephites. Limhi’s people are the ones being taxed by the Lamanites currently, while the Nephites in Zarahemla apparently haven’t had much in the way of Lamanite trouble since the early days of king Benjamin.

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    • Brian Says:

      The Duke covered most of it but I wanted to clarify the whole Zeniff-Lamanite treaty thing in Mosiah 7:21. What happened is Zeniff and his group of people came to city of Lehi-Nephi, which was owned by King Laman. Zeniff presumably asked King Laman to have the city, and I’m sure Laman was thinking “Now who the hell is this guy asking for my city,” and just decided to come up with some crazy treaty terms to make him go away, so laid out his 50% tax plan with bonus capital punishment. I’m sure it was such a hard decision for Zeniff to take the offer that makes him a king over subjects who, coincidentally, he could tax to pay the Lamanite King’s tax. The most surprising part is the companions he left Zarahemla with actually went along with the plan that provided them no tangible benefits. It’s almost as if they were fictional characters who don’t have any desires of their own to conflict with the plot sequence the author wants to portray.

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  4. Scottie Says:

    The audio quality was just fine. If that’s easier for you, then I say go for it!

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  5. DeborahW Says:

    Agreed on the audio, it sounded fine to me too.

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  6. Aaron Wooldridge Says:

    I’m about to participate in the drinking game for the first time. Here goes…

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  7. J. Reuben Clerk Says:

    King Benjamin plays a huge role in Mormonism. I think because the narrative is simple (a dying King addresses his people for the last time) and the message is not doctrinally complicated.

    Mosiah 2:17 (“when ye are in the service of your fellow beings ye are only in the service of your God”) teaches that serving others is the way we serve God.

    Mosiah 3:19 (“the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit”) teaches that we are, by our nature, flawed.

    Mosiah 2:23 (“ye are still indebted unto him, and are, and will be, forever and ever”) teaches that we are forever indebted to God.

    If you understand these three verses, you understand a lot about Mormonism: You’re flawed, and you’ll always be in debt to God, so you need Jesus and the Church. And by serving others in the Church, you’re serving God.

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