Ep 206: D&C 102 – Sections 129 to 131

May 12, 2018

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Ep 206: D&C 102 – Sections 129 to 131

Welcome to the episode when Marie absolutely CANNOT follow along with what the revelations are saying. The Nauvoo Mormons are being fast-tracked into Masonry, which we should care about, but we care more about how to identify a good or bad spirit.

  1. When you meet a spirit, ask to shake its hand. If it’s corporeal and takes your hand AND you can feel it, then it’s a good spirit.
  2. If it doesn’t move but can speak, then it’s a just man made perfect. It’s good, not evil, just not super duper good (I think).
  3. However, it if moves, shakes your hand and you DON’T feel their hand, then it’s a devil/bad spirit.

Angels get their own planet, as do men, but not women. Joseph prophesies the Civil War.

 

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4 Comments on “Ep 206: D&C 102 – Sections 129 to 131”

  1. Julie Says:

    That scripture is saying to get any blessings, there is a certain law of heaven you have to keep in order to get it.

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  2. Duke of Earl Grey Says:

    Yes, now that the “three grand keys” are out, you would think that if the devil, appearing as an angel of light, wanted to be clever about things when tested in this manner, he could simply stand (hover?) there and not offer his hand, and thus seem to be the spirit of a just man made perfect.

    But apparently, either the devil has never read D&C 129, or he is somehow compelled to offer to shake hands like an idiot. Perhaps that compulsion is not unlike that of toons where the old shave and a haircut trick is concerned…

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  3. Duke of Earl Grey Says:

    Another important character is introduced here, though the D&C doesn’t mention his name. The “items of instruction” in these three sections were all written down by William Clayton, who had converted to the church in 1837 in England, and emigrated to Nauvoo in 1840. Clayton, serving as a clerk to Joseph Smith during this time, also scribed the infamous D&C 132.

    Other writings of his are a major source of our information concerning Nauvoo-era polygamy. As such, he’s treated with something of a double standard. Much of what he recorded is now extremely embarrassing to the LDS church, and considered as mere hearsay by apologists, or as something you should at least take with a grain of salt. Yet what we’ve just read, and are about to read, is apparently so reliable that the church canonized it as the word of God (though the Community of Christ, as you noted, did not.)

    Your typical believing Mormon is probably most familiar with William Clayton, though, because he wrote the quintessential Mormon hymn, “Come, Come Ye Saints”, whose famous refrain, “All is well, all is well”, even some TBMs joke about as clashing a bit with the Book of Mormon’s warning in 2 Nephi 28:24-25, “Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion! Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!”

    And as a minor end note, David Johansen and Brian Koonin of the New York Dolls once recorded a pretty sweet cover version of that hymn’s last verse, as a tribute to their deceased bandmate Arthur “Killer” Kane, who was a Mormon.

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  4. Duke of Earl Grey Says:

    On the subject of what “increase” means in D&C 131, William Clayton’s full journal entry includes language indicating it means having children in the Celestial Kingdom. I hope you all enjoy grammatical and spelling errors:

    ‘Pres. J. & I went to B. F. Johnsons to sleep. Before we retired the Pres. gave bro Johnson & wife some instructions on the priesthood. He put his hand on my knee and says “your life is hid with Christ in God.” and so is many others”. Addressing Benjamin says he “nothing but the unpardonable sin can prevent him (me) from inheriting eternal glory for he is sealed up by the power of the priesthood unto eternal life having taken the step which is necessary for that purpose.”

    ‘He said that except a man and his wife enter into an everlasting covenant and be married for eternity while in this probation by the power and authority of the Holy priesthood they will cease to increase when they die (i e) they will not have any children in the resurrection, but those who are married by the power & authority of the priesthood in this life & continue without committing the sin against the Holy Ghost will continue to increase & have children in the celestial glory. The unpardonable sin is to shed innocent blood or be accessory thereto. All other sins will be visited with judgement in the flesh and the spirit being delivered to the buffetings of Satan untill the day of the Lord Jesus.” I feel desirous to be united in an everlasting Covenant to my wife and pray that it may soon be.

    ‘Pres. J. said that the way he knew in whom to confide. God told him in whom he might place confidence. He also said that in the celestial glory there was three heavens or degrees, and in order to obtain the highest a man must enter into this order of the priesthood and if he dont he cant obtain it. He may enter into the other but that is the end of his kingdom.’

    http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/instruction-16-may-1843-as-reported-by-william-clayton/1

    That isn’t to completely gainsay Bryce that “increase” means more planets and more wives, because you have to have a wife or wives to give birth to your celestial babies, and you have to have planets to put those kids on, right?

    But Bryce is, I’m sure, the only person who calls the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom the “33rd degree”. Is that like how the third Naked Gun movie was call Naked Gun 33 1/3?

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