Episode 132: D&C 33 – Section 49

October 29, 2016


Episode 132: D&C 33 – Section 49

Marie and Bryce dish about Marie’s Ft Collins trip and Bryce’s recent run-in with Mormon missionaries, then get their act together to read Chapter 49. Did you know that the current chapter order is completely different than the chapter order in the original version? Neither did Marie!

Chapter 49 – Joseph Smith reveals how wrong, wrong, wrong the Shakers are and affirms that marriage is between one man and one woman, vegetarianism is bad, god is not a woman, and baptism must be done.

Married Drink count – 9,   1f37a[1]

Unmarried Drink count – 9 + bonus beer, 1f37a[1]1f37a[1]

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4 Comments on “Episode 132: D&C 33 – Section 49”

  1. Duke of Earl Grey Says:

    The Jacob in verse 24 which “shall flourish in the wilderness” is definitely a reference to the Jacob of the Book of Genesis, the legendary progenitor of tribes of Israel. The LDS church feels they are the modern day House of Israel, and say they fulfilled this prophecy by colonizing the inhospitable wilderness of the Great Basin. This verse is better remembered in the church for saying “the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose”, a paraphrase of Isaiah 35:1, “the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.” This statement about the Lamanites blossoming is still very often quoted, in reference to the growth of the church in Latin America, among the supposed descendants of the Lamanites (DNA evidence notwithstanding…)

    “And all this that the earth might answer the end of its creation” – This doesn’t sound like it’s talking about “the end” in any chronological sense; more like ends as in “ends and means”. So marriage is being said to fulfill the purposes of the creation of the earth.

    “All are under sin, except… holy men that ye know not of” – This sounds like a reference to those amazing translated beings, John the Revelator and the Three Nephites, whose bodies were changed to make them impervious to temptations and such. Perhaps there are other such holy men we still haven’t heard of?

    “And whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats” – That’s kind of poorly phrased, almost a double negative, as if the Shakers were saying “You want to abstain from meat? I forbid it! Eat more meat!”, which is the opposite of the contextual meaning. The printed version has a corrective footnote, saying, “IE biddeth to abstain”. This sort of footnote is quite common in the King James Bible, where an obscure, old-fashioned statement may need a clarification for modern ears, but it’s funny to see it in D&C, where even God’s own tongue can apparently slip up and say the wrong word sometimes.

    I seem to remember my mom once quoting that meat verse to dissuade my sister from being a vegetarian as a teenager. If my sister had been more inclined towards studying scriptures, she might have answered back with the part about not wasting flesh without need. But since my sister left the church pretty much as soon as she left our parents’ house, I don’t think quoting scripture made for an effective argument. Incidentally, in recent years, my sister is back to loving meat.


  2. help3434 Says:

    According to early 1970s Mormon prophet the “holy men ye know not of” refers to John the Revelator and the three Nephites..


  3. MarsGirl Says:

    I sometimes find useful information for the episodes at GospelDoctrine.com even though it is “not an official site of the church.” The site says it uses “specific quotes from the General Authorities” to “assist students of the gospel.” Joseph Fielding Smith, the 10th president of the Church, provided the following commentary about Mother Ann Lee and the Shaker’s beliefs regarding the nature of God, Christ, etc. I find Mother Ann’s views very interesting.

    Historical Background:

    Under the leadership of “Mother” Ann Lee a band of six men and two women came to America August 6, 1774. A group of Shakers came out of the Kentucky revival in 1800-02, and from this the branches in Kentucky and Ohio were formed. “The Shakers held that God was both male and female, that Adam, having been created in the image of God, had in him the nature of both sexes, that even angels and spirits are both male and female. Christ, they believe, was one of the superior spirits and appeared in Jesus, the son of a Jewish carpenter, representing the male principle. In Mother Ann, daughter of an English blacksmith, the female principle in Christ was manifested, and in her the promise of the second coming was fulfilled. Christ’s kingdom on earth began with the establishment of the Shaker communities.” (Ency. Brit., Art. Shakers.)… The Shakers “derive their name from the manner of worship, which is performed by singing, dancing, and clapping their hands in regular time, to a novel, but rather pleasant kind of music.” (Hayward’s Book of Religion.) (Church History and Modern Revelation, 4 vols. [Salt Lake City: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1946-1949], 1: 191.)

    D&C 49:22 “the Son of Man cometh not in the form of a woman:”

    Since the Shakers held that God was both male and female, it was easy for them to believe in “Mother” Ann Lee as “the female principle in Christ,” and to believe that in her Christ had made his second appearance. The Lord corrects this foolish idea and says that the Son of Man cometh not in the form of a woman, neither of a man traveling on the earth, but when he shall appear it shall be as the Only Begotten Son of God, full of power, might and dominion who will put all enemies under his feet. (Church History and Modern Revelation, 4 vols. [Salt Lake City: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1946-1949], 1: 193.)


  4. The Wandering Cheese Says:

    I think parsley and lemon would be considered garnishes.


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