Episode 91: Pricey Pearl 9 – History of JS & Roman Pt2
What could be more fun than listening to the young Joseph Smith whining about how much people picked on him for babbling on about visions? Well, maybe another clip of the very popular Roman taking a crack at the Book of Mormon Stories!
“Drink” Count – 1
This one isn’t exactly a “drinking episode”
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My Book of Mormon 
August 3, 2015 at 9:55 pm
Just my 2 cents, I wouldn’t want a separate show for you and Roman. Especially later when you get done with doctrines and covenants, you could have some sort of variety show with a bunch of different segments or something.
August 4, 2015 at 3:16 pm
Seems like you meant to say… “I would want…”, I’m not sure there is an edit button to correct the typo.
August 4, 2015 at 2:17 pm
Someone may have already mentioned it way back in Episode 1, but there are multiple, conflicting accounts of what Mormons call “The First Vision.” I.e., the vision when Christ and God the Father appear to Joseph Smith. Wikipedia has one of the more concise summaries of the different versions. The LDS Church itself has finally acknowledged the different versions, too, which has rocked some people’s worlds (but only those who actually know the essay exists – the LDS Church hasn’t really broadcast the essay and has even gone to some effort to keep it under wraps).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Vision
https://www.lds.org/topics/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng
August 4, 2015 at 3:18 pm
I do agree… we should have Roman doing podcasts as the Child version of the Scripture stories. Any parent would be proud to have them as their son. Congrats Dave.
August 4, 2015 at 7:42 pm
Seems David needs to motivate Roman in the lore of Mormondumb. David you can pump him up by comparing the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham to Harry Potter books. You could tell him it’s better that Harry Potter because it all true and you know it to be so.
I believe you already have a Liahona sent you by a devotee, I’m sure Roman would be impressed with that instrument. If you order Testimony Gloves
https://www.lds.org/friend/2008/10/testimony-glove and a proper image of Our Prophet Joseph Smith, I can testify Roman would gain motivation to get into the milk –– meat comes later . . .
http://www.scari.org/Mormons.United.html
Good David, I’m sure his powers of concentration will improve once he sees the danger of not following perfect obedience.
http://www.scari.org/anonymous_magazine.html
Remember the Melchizedek Priesthood relies on Mormon Judeophilia; The Prophet has spoken thus the thinking has been done. Most any Mormon would be proud to have him as their son. Congrats Dave; Delight enlighten, convert.
Ephima
August 4, 2015 at 9:31 pm
I just can’t believe you think that Joseph Smith history is BORING 😀 WOW! This is a jackpot of craziness!
This is also one of the most sacred scripture that latter-day saints have. When I was active true believing mormon this was read hundreds of times and we/they really believe it. One of the prophets even said:
“”We declare without equivocation that God the Father and His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, appeared in person to the boy Joseph Smith. When I was interviewed by Mike Wallace on the 60 Minutes program, he asked me if I actually believed that. I replied, “Yes, sir. That’s the miracle of it.” That is the way I feel about it. Our whole strength rests on the validity of that vision. It either occurred or it did not occur. If it did not, then this work is a fraud. If it did, then it is the most important and wonderful work under the heavens.” -Gordon B. Hincley-
It is crazy that this event has gotten such an enormous attention in mormon theology. When it was first introduced in 1832 (12 years after it supposedly happened) it was merely a conversion story of Joseph Smith not a grandiose vision with God the father and Jesus Christ.
Other thing that is weird is that Joseph never really talk about to his family. For example when his mother Lucy wrote Joseph’s biography he never mention this pivotal event in his life. Probably the best expert on Joseph Smith, Richard Bushman, in his awesome autobiography of him (Rough Stone Rolling) wrote that she (Lucy) probably didn’t even know about it. Really? 😀 Joseph never mentioned to his mother that he saw God and Jesus! That’s just beyond crazy to me!
But come on David, you really gotta start appreciating the lunacy! THIS IS NOT BORING! 😀
August 5, 2015 at 1:57 am
Over the last two weeks, I have gone through all the episodes to catch up and have finally made it! Incredible job going through the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price so far. I’m hooked and am anxiously awaiting new episodes to be released!
I am an exmo who was raised with this crap. I tried several times to believe it, but can’t say I succeeded much. When I got baptized at 8, I was underwhelmed, and by the time I became a deacon (12), I was fairly certain it wasn’t true. Before I was 14 I had gone through the Book of Mormon twice and knew it was hogwash and haven’t been able to read much of it since without being put to sleep.
This show has provided a new way to revisit the scriptures in an entertaining way and help remind me how crazy it all is. After twenty years, I figure it’s about time to have a refresher and remind myself exactly what the rest of my family still mindlessly follows while considering me “lost.”
I love everything about this podcast, and look forward to many more drinks in the coming episodes!
August 5, 2015 at 5:47 pm
Looking for guidance?
Seems David needs to motivate Roman in the lore of Mormondumb. David you can pump him up by comparing the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham to Harry Potter books. You could tell him it’s better than Harry Potter because it all true and you know it to be so.
I believe you already have a Liahona sent you by a devotee, I’m sure Roman would be impressed with that instrument. If you order Testimony Gloves
https://www.lds.org/friend/2008/10/testimony-glove and a proper image of Our Prophet Joseph Smith, I can testify Roman would gain motivation to get into the milk –– meat comes later . . .
http://www.scari.org/Mormons.United.html
Good David, I’m sure his powers of concentration will improve once he sees the danger of not following perfect obedience.
http://www.scari.org/anonymous_magazine.html
Remember the Melchizedek Priesthood relies on Mormon Judeophilia; The Prophet has spoken thus the thinking has been done. Most any Mormon would be proud to have him as their son. Congrats Dave; Delight enlighten, convert.
Ephima
August 5, 2015 at 6:08 pm
Loved the introduction by contributor Bryce Blankenagel.
How did you get him to clean-up his potty-mouth? He actually sounds civilized on your podcast while on NAKED MORMONISM (http://nakedmormonismpodcast.com/index.html)
he’s an angry spitting demon. Bryce must have to clean his microphone with antibacterial soap after each of his diatribes, however his research and salient content is wonderful. Great to hear Bryce on My Book of Mormon.
August 5, 2015 at 6:05 pm
Loved the introduction by contributor Bryce Blankenagel.
How did you get him to clean-up his potty-mouth? He actually sounds civilized on your podcast while on NAKED MORMONISM he’s an angry spitting demon. Bryce must have to clean his microphone with antibacterial soap after each of his diatribes, however his research and salient content is wonderful. Great to hear Bryce on My Book of Mormon.
Looking for guidance?
Seems David needs to motivate Roman in the lore of Mormondumb. David you can pump him up by comparing the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham to Harry Potter books. You could tell him it’s better than Harry Potter because it all true and you know it to be so.
I believe you already have a Liahona sent you by a devotee, I’m sure Roman would be impressed with that instrument. If you order Testimony Gloves
https://www.lds.org/friend/2008/10/testimony-glove and a proper image of Our Prophet Joseph Smith, I can testify Roman would gain motivation to get into the milk –– meat comes later . . .
http://www.scari.org/Mormons.United.html
Good David, I’m sure his powers of concentration will improve once he sees the danger of not following perfect obedience.
http://www.scari.org/anonymous_magazine.html
Remember the Melchizedek Priesthood relies on Mormon Judeophilia; The Prophet has spoken thus the thinking has been done. Most any Mormon would be proud to have him as their son. Congrats Dave; Delight enlighten, convert.
Ephima
August 8, 2015 at 8:04 pm
One more thing David, I know you read the scriptures with the intention of criticizing, mocking, and making fun or light of them, but there is no denying that reading the book of Mormon has indeed changed your life. You’ve had in one way or another had many spiritual experiences through the feedback and network of supporters you have developed. Wouldn’t that constitute a response from God of it’s veracity?
We can criticize scriptures all day but there is no doubt that they leave a lasting impact upon our lives. JS History is one of my favorite passages and yet you find it boring. The fact that one can find inspiration by asking God to come and enter into your life is awesome.
I know that Church isn’t for everyone, but we have fun together, and even as a TBM I do find your perspective refreshing even thought we don’t agree with your opinion of them.
August 9, 2015 at 9:29 pm
Mr Michaels can speak for himself but I think he aimed to read in an entertaining manner while being genuinely curious as to the content of the Book of Mormon. As to its truth, if you hear Episode One you’ll hear where that battle was lost and, coming from a non-Mormon background, I would say that I would find my credulity being stretched pretty thin at exactly the same point.
Interesting view on the podcast reaction as a ‘spiritual experience’. Its certainly an argument – if not one that I personally would be convinced by. What I would say is that as a non-Mormon the ‘Mormon community’ (as opposed to the LDS Church) has many commendable features (and some less so). The strong feeling of community and willingness to help others in need certainly seems to survive in many ex-Mormons and long may it be so. If they can keep the positive parts of their upbringing while freeing themselves of the negative ones then all power to them. That’s not something restricted to Mormons and no-Mormons either…
August 9, 2015 at 4:06 am
One more thing on JST. Not to nitpick on Bryce’s comment, but JS didn’t only hit Genesis and Matthew. He actually did a revision of the entire King Jame Bible. However, there are lots of books in the Old Testament that apparently didn’t merit much editing at all. He seemed keen on editing most of the New Testament but changed far fewer passages in select books of the Old Testament. Also, the JST says “the Songs of Solmon are not inspired writings”.
Just search “joseph smith translation” on Amazon. You will see that you can buy a side-by-side comparison of the JST New Testament vs. KJV and also a side-by-side comparison of the JST Old Testament vs. KJV. (A couple more books to add to David’s holiday wishlist!)
August 9, 2015 at 6:02 am
Posts ought to have an edit button… 😦 I hate my bad grammar!!
August 10, 2015 at 4:31 am
Smith went to Isaac Hale’s house and took away his daughter in a classic elopement. Isaac Hale gives a counterpoint to Smith, in 1834:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/3e00gw/primary_source_of_isaac_hales_affidavit_in_1834/ctb8qqd
September 1, 2015 at 11:06 pm
“militate”
September 1, 2015 at 11:17 pm
It is odd. In all of your podcasts, I have never felt offended by comments about Jesus, God or any of the ancient prophets, but I have to admit, I had a knee-jerk offended reaction to hearing you mock Joseph Smith’s words. Does this say something out our (Mormons’) indoctrination?
April 12, 2016 at 6:59 am
What? You have 15 minutes to kill, but ran out of cat videos to watch? Why not check out the BYU film department’s old 1970’s production of The First Vision?
“I believe!” says old lady at time code 4:02.